Nadir Ahmed, not worthy to debate Ali Sina

This page is created on request by a anonymous user. In one of his message, he gave me link of Examine The Truth, which is a Islamic website, run by a individual named Nadir Ahmed. He claims himself to be a scholar, and presume that every critics of Islam is afraid of his intellect. Any how I’ll quote what Nadir says about the most successful critic of Islam, Dr. Ali Sina of Faith Freedom International.

In his site, Nadir said, “After suffering humiliating defeat after defeat, Ali Sina, as well as all of his goons on the FaithFreedom.org website have run way from this challenge to debate Islam.” 

But his statement is far away from truth, here I’ll show Nadir’s performance in a small debate with Dr. Ali Sina, with my comments in Bold Red.

Nadir Ahmed mailed to Ali Sina.

CHALLENGE TO DEBATE

Topic: Quran and Modern Science

Alhumdulilah, the following anti Islamic personalities have been wiped out, exposed as frauds, and have fallen to the Sword of Islam!: [This he presumed, and has no evidence to support his claim. He even not mentioned, who wiped out these anti Islamic personalities, and who exposed them as frauds. Is it Nadir himself?]

1. Dr. Robert Morey ( www.faithdefenders.com)
http://www.examinethetruth.com/morey_challenge.htm

2. Sam “The Sham” Shamoun ( www.answering-islam.org )
http://www.examinethetruth.com/on_the_run.htm
http://www.examinethetruth.com/apology_rejected.htm

[ Its hypocrisy, the owner and author of Answering-Islam, is still active critics of Islam, and a successful one. In fact Sham Shamoun has already posted rebuttals to Nadir Ahmed, but he choose to ignore all those. Readers can read it here.]

3. Denis Giron ( www.freethoughtmecca.org )
(Denis is an ok person not a liar…but he is just confused) [What about you Nadir? You are Mentally challenged, but OK person.]

And Now… we have come for you, Ali Sina

To many people have emailed me and asked me to refute this guy, under normal cirumstances, I only do public debates… so the humilation can be witnessed for all to see as in the case of Sam “The Sham” Shamoun from www.answering-islam.org , but I have gotten word that Ali Sina only does online debates, soo I will make this one exception for him.

The topic will be Quran and Modern Science, by the grace of God, In the Ahmed – Giron debate, the Quran has been proved to be authored by a source greater than man and rendered a true living miracle for all times. You can download the debate from my website:

http://www.ExamineTheTruth.com

All the cheap polemics of the Christians and Atheists have been silenced and refuted in this one debate. Therefore, we will give Ali Sina an opportunity to contest the evidence if he disagrees with the conclusion stated above. So, if Ali accepts, then he can download the debate, listen to it, and we will start our debate from their….

Thanks,
Nadir Ahmed
www.ExamineTheTruth.com

To this Ali Sina replied:-

Dear Nadir Ahmad,

Thank you for your interest to debate with me. I would be glad to do that. As I wrote in the prologue of this site

I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9-year-old child at the age of 53, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies, his revenge on his captured prisoners of war and his hallucinations about having sex with his wives when he actually did not, disqualify him as a sane person let alone a messenger of God

b) An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a hoax. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in Quran?

So let us start with Muhammad’s character first. Then we move to Quran and will discuss it to see whether it is a miracle as Muslims say or a hodgepodge of nonsense and absurdities.

Since I am the accuser and you are the defendant, I will bring charges against Muhammad and it is up to me to prove that the charges are true. Then you can respond and prove that they are false.

To start I invite you to refute the charge of misogyny that I have brought against Muhammad. Here is the link:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/Shahzad8.htm

Thank you again for your interest in debating with me.

Kind regards

Ali Sina
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Doubt everything, find your own light!

To this Mr. Nadir Ahmed replied.

No … No.. Ali…. Im not going to let you run…. I have challenged you first, soo we start with Quran and Science first, you can later challenge me to what ever topic you want. Personally, I dont care what you think about Muhammed(P) that is NOT why I am here.. it means nothing to me. I mean, Who cares about what you think of “misogyny” ? [ Who said Dr. Sina is running away from such gullible scholar. I think Dr. Sina made it clear in his statement, he said "Thank you for your interest to debate with me. I would be glad to do that. As I wrote in the prologue of this site. I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran."  ]

Right now, this Quran and Science debate should be your main focus, as I mentioned it *proves* that this book is a great miracle… and if this is true… then all of your EMOTIONAL arguments gets over ridden. Think about it, your worst nightmares are being confirmed , hundreds of people all over USA are being converted with this debate…

Therefore, we debate the OBJECTIVE evidences first… then we debate the SUBJECTIVE evidences later… (but by that time, it wont even matter because the objective evidences will be enough to convict the Quran as being a miracle, so who gives a hoot about personal feelings..)

So, please dont waste my time… lets get this debate on the road..

Thanks,
Nadir Ahmed

To this Dr. Ali Sina replied:-

Dear Nadir Ahmad,

I accuse Muhammad of being unfit and unworthy to be a messenger of God. The character of Muhammad is very important to determine his truthfulness. Many people have said good things but it is their deed that is the litmus test of their claim. Suppose I write a wonderful book and give people good advises. Is that enough to prove me as a messenger of God? What if I am an assassin, a thief, a lecher, a liar, etc? Could I insist that people should not judge me by what I do but rather by what I say? Of course not! Remember what Muhammad said about himself:

“And surely thou hast sublime morals” (Q.68:4).
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example to follow” (Q.33:21).
We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. (Q.21:107).
Verily this is the word of a most honorable Messenger, (Q.81.19)

If those claims are proven to be false then no amount of miracle would make him a prophet. If you can’t disprove the charges that I have made against Muhammad, then he is a liar and the above verses of the Quran are not true.

Even if the Quran is proven to be a “miracle” as you state, this does not prove that Muhammad was a messenger of God. If it is proven that he was an evil character unworthy of the rank of prophethood, then we can say that the Quran is the words of Satan or jnns.

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Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.

As you see Muhammad believed in jinns. He even talked to them. Personally I have never seen a jinn, but Muhammad used to see them often. How do we know one of them did not pose as Gabriel and deceived him? Can you prove that this did not happen? The only way you can do that is to prove that Muhammad lived a saintly life.

I am afraid you cannot escape this one. If you want to make us believe Muhammad was a messenger of God you must show that he was worthy for that task. Proving Quran to be a miracle does not prove Muhammad to be a prophet.

However, since it seems that science and Quran is the lesson you have learned best and this is the only thing you want to talk about, I agree to discuss Quran first. I’ll show that the Quran is not from God but a hodgepodge of nonsense and you can show that it is a miracle. Let us agree however that at the end you have to disprove my charges against Muhammad. If you prove the Quran to be a miracle but fail to prove Muhammad was a prophet then all you have done is that you have proven that that book is the work of Satan.

I’ll write my first accusation against the Quran next.
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Doubt everything, find your own light!

Next Nadir Said:- 

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I accuse Muhammad of being unfit and unworthy to be a messenger of God.

who cares… yawn….

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I’ll show that the Quran is not from God but a hodgepodge of nonsense and you can show that it is a miracle.

no, no… Ali, this is not what my challenge to you , you can try
to show your alleged claim of hodgepodge nonsense some other time…

let us commit to specifics here, here is what we are going to debate, as I posted in my challenge:

The topic will be Quran and Modern Science, by the grace of God, In the Ahmed – Giron debate, the Quran has been proved to be authored by a source greater than man and rendered a true living miracle for all times. You can download the debate from my website:
[ I find him very desperate to debate on Qur'an and Modern science. I guess he reads Zakir Naik a Lot. Any ways, I have a brilliant link to debunk this Modern science of Qur'an. See how Dr. Ali Sina, exposes Zakir Naik, seehere.]

http://www.ExamineTheTruth.com

will give Ali Sina an opportunity to contest the evidence if he disagrees with the conclusion stated above. So, if Ali accepts, then he can download the debate, listen to it, and we will start our debate from their….

So my Challege to you is to contest the evidence
we will not entertain red herrings… we can debate those other issues later… like preservation, inerrancy… etc.

What we debate about will be directly related to the topic of the Ahmed-Giron Debate.

But if you run Ali, then it will not be the first time ,many have done so,the Scientific and Archaeological evidences of the Quran is IRREFUTABLE .. .. I think you know that Ali… that probably explains your reluctancy….

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However, since it seems that science and Quran is the lesson you have learned best and this is the only thing you want to talk about

What the…??? I never stated that this is “the only thing I want to talk about” this is a LIE. Rather, this is what I stated:

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“I have challenged you first, soo we start with Quran and Science first, you can later challenge me to what ever topic you want.”

AND

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“Therefore, we debate the OBJECTIVE evidences first… then we debate the SUBJECTIVE evidences later…”

You have already blatanly made a false statement
against me! So much for your chantings:

“I challenge the apologists of Islam to prove me wrong or…. “

“I challenge the apologists of Islam to prove me wrong or…. “

“I challenge the apologists of Islam to prove me wrong or…. “

The debate has not even begun yet and you have already been proven wrong! This is equivalent to a “first round knock down.. sending Sina crashing to the canvas…” lol

So, please dont lie Ali Sina, this is not going to help you it will
only make things worse… you dont want to end up like Dr. Robert Morey do you?

http://www.examinethetruth.com/morey_challenge.htm

Let me know if you accept my challenge.. I have wasted enough time here….

thanks,
Nadir Ahmed

Here is an Interesting reply from a viewer of the forum to Nadir Ahmed:-

Dear Nadir Ahmed,
I am impressed and looking forward to enjoying a healthy debate. You must be modern day Saladin to save Islam. However, I am feeling a little uncomfortable with your dual personality. This is what you wrote in your article “Islam or Christianity, Which is the true way to God?”

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Very briefly coming to Islam, Prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) claimed to be a Prophet, and received revelation from God, and gave mankind a Holy Scripture. Not only that but he claimed that he possessed the true message of Christ. This leaves us with two mortal human beings, with the same IDENTICAL claim!:

Prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) and Paul of Tarsus

In conclusion, it is crucial to understand the following point in order to answer the question, “which is the true way to God?”:

BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT GOD SENT A PROPHET AFTER JESUS CHRIST TO LEAD MANKIND ON THE TRUE PATH TO GOD. THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WHO IS THAT TRUE PROPHET AND WHO IS THE FALSE PROPHET!

Then you refuse to discuss about Muhammad………….

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no … no.. ali…. Im not going to let you run…. I have challenged you first, soo we start with Quran and Science first, you can later challenge me to what ever topic you want.Personally, I dont care what you think about Muhammed(P) that is NOT why I am here.. it means nothing to me. I mean, Who cares about what you think of “misogyny” ?

Typical Islamic syndrome!!!!!!!!!

First you think it’s crucial to understand whether Muhammad was a fraud or a prophet then you refuse to discuss about this criminal. It’s a very simple rule, No Muhammad no Quran. It’s imperative to prove whether we should believe Muhammad or not.

Let’s say, the Mullah or Imam (Muslim priest) of your closest mosque is an alcoholic and he loves to rape young girls. He is also an expert shoplifter. Would you let him lead the prayer or obey his advice?
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Religion makes a person blind folded, self centered and selfish.

To this Nadir Din’t replied, by I’ll add one more comment by a reader of the forum:-

Far Side we need a chicken running around in a circle going cluck cluck cluck, for that is what Nadir is doing about the challange to debate.

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Quote: Quote: I accuse Muhammad of being unfit and unworthy to be a messenger of God. who cares… yawn….

What a muslim!! Some one just called THE NABI a criminal, and all nadir can muster is “yawn”. That should be put on the web as fast as can be!! See how the great muslim is turning yellow and running for cover.

As he turns tail:

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Let me know if you accept my challenge.. I have wasted enough time here….

and runs for cover!!

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- The only religion, is the religion of truth. Without truth there can be no reason.

This indeed is reality of Nadir Ahmed, a self proclaimed scholar of Islam. Even Islamic sites say him mentally challenged. See this:-

Nadir Ahmed and his emotional and psychological problems:

I normally don’t like to talk this way, because it is definitely not my style to put down my internet foes unless they absolutely deserve it, and I always address the reasonable ones among them with “Mr. or Mrs. such and such,” but Nadir Ahmed, who nicknames himself as “MonkyPox” on paltalk has got to be, by far, the stupidest, most obnoxious and most mentally unstable person ever appeared on the internet!  He adopts childish and immature attitude in his debates and toward his enemies and he always boasts that all of his foes are “scared” from him, when in reality all what they’re doing is letting him bark all by himself.

1.  nadir_thinks_people_scared_of_him_1.mp3.

2.  nadir_thinks_people_scared_of_him_2.mp3.

3.  david_wood_exposes_nadirs_lie.mp3.  This clip was taken from trinity10.mp3, which Nadir removed from his page and only kept the 1 through 9 audio files.
     Update: The trinity10.mp3 clip was added back on his site, and he now changed all of the names of the mp3 files.

4.  Nadir claims that I am jealous of him.

Despite the fact that he is in his mid 30s, this childish individual is not only mentally unstable and obviously lacks self-esteem and confidence, but he also lives in his own unique lala world where all of his imaginary foes are always soundly defeated by him!

In this article, we will see how this individual has not only FALSELY and UNJUSTLY proven that Islam allows sex with animals when it doesn’t, but ironically, he declared in boast on his site a sound victory and a total humiliation to the person whom he was debating, Christian_Prince, when in reality the latter had literally wiped the floor with him in the debate.  Now if this debate was only limited to NA and his lala world, then I most certainly would not have “butted in” into this, because (1) it would be non of my business, and (2) I don’t have time to fool around with this self-proclaimed monkey.  But when the matter involves Islam and spreading theSICKEST LIES against Islam, then this becomes very personal to me!

So having now established this ground on NA, his lala world and his weird personality, let us now take a look at his debate with christian_prince to settle the score and shed the real Islamic Truth to the reader regarding Islam’s morality and its views on sex.  First and foremost, it is important to know that Islam not only prohibits sex with animals, but Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, ordered the execution (killing) of those who are caught having sex with animals!  Please visit my rebuttals to christian_prince’s points that he made to NA and see how I have soundly debunked all of his lies against Islam and the Prophet of Islam, by Allah Almighty’s Grace and Will, and actually demonstrated and proved that he fabricated lies on Prophet’s Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) mouth.

This is enough to expose Nadir Ahmed’s lies. But I’ll close it with Dr. Sina last statement, which is enough to shut mouth of Nadir lovers.

Mr. Nadir Ahmad of examinethetruth.com had already his debate with me. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm 
It is clear that this gentleman is not a scholar. There is no glory for me to bloody the nose of someone as insignificant as this person.  Our debate is there for the world to see. That is as much as glory he gets. I am open to debate with real scholars of Islam but not with every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to have his 15 minutes of fame by debating with me.

We have a forum where Muslims can post their comments directly. When they send their comments by email I post them in the comments page.  I don’t do that anymore as the forum is created for that purpose and the comments are getting repetitive.

My criticism also extends to the Quran. This book is just as asinine as the hadith.

Note:- Readers can view the original debate thread here and here.