Exposing Mushafiq Sultan of IHI
This is a Short Debate, which took place in Facebook, in a Group Named “Debunking Ali Sina’s Understanding Muhammad.” On one of the post of Mine, Mushafiq Sultan, admin of IHI commented. His comment was followed by mine, but through this post, I just want to show his standard of debating Disbelievers. I posted a simple pic, exposing Islamic Miracles. The picture is posted Below.
My post and his comments can be followed by clicking here. My comments on his reply are in Bold Red.
Mushafiq Sultan We face the direction of Kaaba. The word Qiblah means direction. only a fool such as yourself will claim that earth is flat using this argument. And give correct reference
Mushafiq Sultan The arabic word Mahd means a resting place. The earth is a resting place for us. This is an artistic description.
Mushafiq Sultan what does your Hinduism tell about earth?[ This is called ad hominem, this is because, when he fails to reply my allegation, then he resort to logical fallacy called Ad Hominem]
Mushafiq Sultan Rahul You deleted your comment?
To which I replied:-
Rahul Raj :-Mushafiq Sultan, well where you find giving me a wrong reference, and I see you are lying now, to show Qur’an scientific now.
You said ” The word Qiblah means direction. only a fool such as yourself will claim that earth is flat using this argument. “
Is it so, does Qiblah means direction??
Here is the verse 2:144, which says:-
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
So, Qur’an, itself says, that Muslims need to face al-Masjid al-Haram while praying, which makes your claim an absurd lie Mushafiq. I know you practice argumentum ad hominem,and tu quoque by raising similar errors on my religious view.
So, let me inform you in advance I am not an Hindu, as my name suggest. So don’t rely to attack my religion, as it is a logical fallacy, which won’t save your so called Noble religion. I need you to explain these verses.
Anyways lets examine the word Qiblah, the word used in 2:144 by Allah. The word is ‘qib’latan’, which is in Noun form. See the transliteration of the verse 2:144, which reads:-
Qad nara taqalluba wajhika fee assama-ifalanuwalliyannaka qiblatan tardaha fawalli wajhakashatra almasjidi alharami wahaythu makuntum fawalloo wujoohakum shatrahu wa-inna allatheenaootoo alkitaba layaAAlamoona annahu alhaqqu minrabbihim wama Allahu bighafilin AAammayaAAmaloon
The same word in noun form is used in Quran 10:87, here is the transliteration which reads:-
Waawhayna ila moosawaakheehi an tabawwaa liqawmikuma bimisrabuyootan wajAAaloo buyootakum qiblatan waaqeemoo assalatawabashshiri almu/mineen
So we see the word used in both the verses are same, now lets see how this verse 10:87 is translated by Islamic Scholars:-
And We inspired to Moses and his brother, “Settle your people in Egypt in houses and make your houses [facing the] qiblah and establish prayer and give good tidings to the believers.”Yusuf Ali
We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message: “Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers: and give glad tidings to those who believe!”
So, we can clearly see that there is no mentioning of any DIRECTION, as our IHI scientist Mushafiq claims, I can further provide more proofs from Quran itself, to prove that he needs dictionary more than me.
The word ‘Qibla’, which he claims to mean direction, is used in Quran 2:177, which reads:-
Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.
The Transliteration is:-
Laysa albirra an tuwalloo wujoohakum qibalaalmashriqi walmaghribi walakinna albirra man amanabillahi walyawmi al-akhiri walmala-ikatiwalkitabi wannabiyyeena waataalmala AAala hubbihi thawee alqurbawalyatama walmasakeena wabnaalssabeeli wassa-ileena wafee arriqabiwaaqama assalata waataazzakata walmoofoona biAAahdihim ithaAAahadoo wassabireena fee alba/sa-iwaddarra-i waheena alba/si ola-ikaallatheena sadaqoo waola-ika humualmuttaqoon
With this we can conclude that Qibla, does not necessarily means ‘Direction’, but as we can see from above evidence, that it can mean ‘Facing towards’, ‘Towards’, and also ‘place of worship’, through which we can successfully prove that Quran states earth is flat.
Further, Ibn Kathir explains in his commentary, what is Qiblah??
. When Allah’s Messenger migrated to Al-Madinah, the majority of its people were Jews, and Allah commanded him to face Bayt Al-Maqdis. The Jews were delighted then. Allah’s Messenger faced it for ten and some months, but he liked to face the Qiblah of Ibrahim (Ka`bah in Makkah).
So what you understand by Qiblah, reading the above comment on 2:144? It says, Muhammad wanted to face Qiblah of Ibraham, which is Kabba. So it proves my point..
Mushafiq Sultan First learn the meaning of Qiblah from dictionary you foolish Hindu.
Mushafiq Sultan do you even know how to use an arabic dictionary? I guess no.
Mushafiq Sultan learn the basics first before pretending to be a writer . [ This is the only thing, which Mushafiq do, resorting to insult Non-Muslims]
Mushafiq Sultan You do not deserve any reply because you do not even know how to check an arabic dictionary.
Mushafiq Sultan Go do some politics without filthy ABVP’. [ This is how he deals with those who disprove him. See the language he uses, it sounds pity cheap]
Rahul Raj :- Mushafiq Sultan, I love this frustration of Muslims, when they see a clear error. Well anyhow if I accept I am wrong, still nothing is changed. Don’t you accept that Qur’an asks Muslim to pray facing Kabba?? Is it wrong Mr. Mushafiq??
Now, lets come to your claim, that I have given a wrong reference, and lets talk about the word ‘Mahdan’.
My references are absolutely right, and the word Mahdan, is also used in 20:53, see this:-
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina assama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta
Also see, how the Muslim Translators translate it:-
[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.
Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.
Who hath appointed the earth as a bed and hath threaded roads for you therein and hath sent down water from the sky and thereby We have brought forth divers kinds of vegetation,
“He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
He who has made the earth (as) a cradle for you, and inserted ways therein for you, and sent down water from the heaven; so We have brought out therewith pairs of divers (kinds of) growth.
SO, do you claim these translations are wrong. In case if these are wrong, still verse 2:144 can’t be proven scientific, as it clearly stated Muslims to face Kabba while praying. If you don’t believe see this translation from 2:144, which reads (. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer].)
This is impossible on a spherical earth, it is only possible when we accept 43:10, which says, earth is like a bed, I mean Flat..
Mushafiq Sultan You just learn to check up a word. in Arabic dictionary first. Till then you have zero credibility. How can I make a stupid moron like you understand?
Mushafiq Sultan go and learn the meaning of Qiblah first.
Mushafiq Sultan I already suggested to you to go and do some politics with Saffron terrorists aka BJP. [ Aha! You can see, what is he up to. You won't find appropriate reply from his side to my comments.]
Rahul Raj :-Mushafiq Sultan, as earlier I stated, I know you man, you practice Tu Quoque, now I say, you also practice argumentum ad hominem.. Right kid. Now stop attacking on such things, which I don’t support and come to the point you moron. Your filthy attacks are waste here. You are asking me to learn Arabic, as if you know it completely.
What I suggest you, to get a cold water, and have it. Now, see it again, what is written in Qur’an 2:144. It is from the site you suggested .
So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer].
Isn’t Qur’an asking you people to turn your face towards al-Masjid al-haram?? Do you have eyes. If so, then see it again and again.. As you tried hard to divert me from topic. Now I need you to focus on my question.
Rahul Raj :- Mushafiq Sultan, you are a hardcore blind follower of the evil death cult of Islam. So, it will take some time to make you talk like a intellectual.
Your comments suggests that you need some mental treatment man. When I ask you, whats your name?
You answer me, I am in Pakistan. Is it my answer? No, you need to answer me on 2:144, and stop claiming that I don’t know Arabic, because if I don’t , so do you.
Mushafiq Sultan lol u r a saffron terrorist. [ See his ultimate reply to my claims, he judged me as a Saffron Terrorist.]
Mushafiq Sultan I told you to learn to check arabic dictionary. why are you going nuts?
I never said I am a writer, have I said it to you?? By claiming he only knows the meaning of Arabic words, he says all scholars are wrong, even Ibn Kathir is wrong.
This makes him, the biggest hypocrite of this world..
Mushafiq Sultan You don’t even know the meaning of the word Qiblah. and you are pretending to be some researcher? lol [ He loves insulting me.]
Mushafiq Sultan Your profile says you are a writer on FFI. Amazing FFI Writers cannot even check arabic dictionary. Shame. [ He claims and judges everything of his own. This remind me of a saying, which says " You can't have the cake and eat it too.]
Rahul Raj :- Mushafiq Sultan, Again??
I thought you won’t be wasting my time now, and will come to point. But what is this man. Anywaz why should I engage in your dirty tricks to divert my self from the topic. Here is your answer MadMan..
See what Ibn Abbas, comments for this verse:-
Allah then mentions the supplication of His Prophet regarding the changing of the Qiblah towards Mecca,saying: (We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad)) turning your sight to heaven in anticipation of Gabriel coming down to announce the change of the Qiblah. (And now surely We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a Qiblah that is dear to thee) that you like, namely, the Qiblah of Abraham. (So turn thy face) when in prayer (towards the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be) whether on land or in the sea, (turn your faces (when ye pray)) in prayer (towards it. (Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that) the Sacred Precinct (is the Truth from their Lord) is the Qiblah of Abraham but they conceal this fact. (And Allah is not unaware) heedless (of what they do) of what they conceal.
See in the second last line he says :- (the Sacred Precinct (is the Truth from their Lord) is the Qiblah of Abraham but they conceal this fact. )
Now, as per your meaning of Qiblah, the commentary will change, and become meaning less. See how:-
the Sacred Precinct (is the Truth from their Lord) is the direction of Abraham but they conceal this fact.
Now, explain me the above quote you moron, with the thickest brain skull. Well in case, even if Qur’an suggests to face the direction of Kabba, can you explain me how is it possible for a man, residing in North pole to face the direction of Exact south pole location. It is practically impossible to face even the direction of Kabba for those people who live in opposite ends of Kabba, like the areas of Mexico, and Us. They will only face Atmosphere, it does not matter how much hard they try..
Rahul Raj :- Mushafiq Sultan, thanks for compliments, that I am a saffron terrorist. Now tell me many attacks, these saffron terrorist have led. I have only heard of Islamic terrorism, which is a gift from Allah, to peaceful residents of this beautiful world, and you are one, who is defending these Islamic terrorist. Which makes you one among them..
I know your website, which have disabled comments, so why should I visit your site, to be a viewer of it. Here is one for you too,
www.alisina.org which exposes all miracles and science of Qur’an..
Have it as my gift boy.
Rahul Raj :- Mushafiq Sultan, I expected a bit decency from you, but how is it possible, because you are a Muhammadan. You finally choose to attack my choices and culture in favor of answering my questions. Being an owner of a very obscure site IHI, which has 836,177 global rank, I never expected this from him. Even his site is a perfect specimen of a Muslim Mindset, as it does not allows its viewers to comment in his post, which also proves his hypocrisy.( As noticed on 21st feb, 2012)..
Further Sultan Left the forum, and choose to run. But here is reply which demands his attention.
Rahul Raj :- Now, based on my above evidences, I just want to show you another problem with Qur’an, when it claims in 78:6-7 , earth is like a bed, and mountains as peg.
This is what Jalalayn wrote in his commentary to explain the above verse 78:7, he says:-
and the mountains pegs?, with which the earth is tied down like tents are tied down with pegs (the interrogative is meant as an affirmative).
Now, when we give a different look to the verses of Qur’an, when it says that earth is like bed, and mountains are pegs. With a contrast to evidences from the time of Muhammad, and Early Tafsirs, it is possible that Muhammad assumed Earth to be flat like bed, which is supported by Mountains just like we see in case of paper and paper weight. These theories were obviously prevalent at those times, in Arabia, and from ancient sources and old fables.
Last thing I would like to point it out, as shown in Ali Sina’s FFI forum,:-
Title of the Book: “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still.”
Author: Sheikh Abdul Aziz Ben Baz.
Editor: Islamic University of Medina.
Year: 1395 AH
City: Medina, Saudi Arabia.
“If the earth is rotating as they claim, the countries, the mountains, the trees, the rivers, and the oceans will have no bottom and the people will see the eastern countries move to the west and the western countries move to the east.”
“In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy.”
“The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished.”
[Muslim religious edict, 1993, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, Supreme religious authority, Saudi Arabia]“
Here is picture from Islamic reign, which proves my point.
So, here the authority itself claiming that Earth is flat, but now a days, Muslims are using established science and their own intellect to prove Qur’an, but this was not the thinking of Muhammad. He wrote what he heard from ancient fables, and what he observed himself..
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